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GeoShred Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs)

Getting Help

Can you point me to the GeoShred Help Resources?
How can I see the GeoShred Help Resources in another language?
Can I search the GeoShred Help Resources?
Can I see the GeoShred Help resources in China?
Is there a PDF manual?
How do I get support for GeoShred?
How do I write a Review?

GeoSWAM Instruments

What are the basics about the GeoSWAM instruments? How much do they cost?
Can you explain more about the cost of the GeoSWAM instruments?
Can I use the GeoSWAM instruments with a conventional MIDI Keyboard? A wind controller?
Is GeoSWAM a replacment of competitor for Roli Noise?
What is the difference between the GeoSWAM instruments and the stand-alone instruments that Audio Modeling is developing?
I bought all the SWAM plugins for the Roli NOISE App, do I have to buy them again?
Can I use the GeoSWAM instruments with AUv3?
Can I purchase the GeoSWAM instruments for GeoShred Play? GeoShred Control?
Can I use the GeoSWAM instruments I purchased for GeoShred Pro with my copy of GeoShred Play?
If I purchase a single instrument first, and then the collection, can my purchase of the single instrument be applied to the purchase of the collection?
What is the minimium iOS version required to run the GeoSWAM instruments?
Do the GeoSWAM instruments support 3D touch?
How is velocity and pressure supported on an iPad?
What is the maximium slide range for each of the GeoSWAM instruments?
Are the GeoSWAM instruments polyphonic and why doesn't that Play Mode "Poly" button make them polyphonic?

Performance Questions

How do I get the best performance live?
My iOS device is missing touches. What can I do?
Why is there a delay with BlueTooth Audio?
How do I connect my device to an amplifier?
How do I play a backing track?
I have no sound on my iPad 2. What can I do?
GeoShred uses the battery when in the background. What can I do?

Different Versions of GeoShred

What is the difference between GeoShred Pro, Play and Control?
Can I have more than one GeoShred on my device, Pro, Play Control?
Is there be an iPhone version of GeoShred?
What is the difference between GeoShred and Geo Synth?
When do you have sales?
How do I redeem and app or in-app-purchase code in the iTunes App Store.
How does the upgrade to Pro work?
Is there a trial version of GeoShred?
Can I put GeoShred on my other iOS device?
Can I have both GeoShred Play and GeoShred Pro on my iOS device?
GeoShred is not right for me, how do I get a refund?
Will GeoShred be available for Android?
What about GeoShred for Windows?
Does GeoShred Run on the iPad 2?
Which iPad should I get to run GeoShred?

Interfacing, MIDI, IAA, AUv3

Does GeoShred support MIDI?
How do I connect GeoShred MIDI to Mac or PC based AUs/VSTs?
How do I control GarageBand virtual instruments with GeoShred?
How do I use GeoShred to control the Desktop SWAM instruments?
I'm having challenges with IAA, what can I do?
How do I record my performance?
The AUv3 Plugin window is messed up, what can I do?
I can't see GS AUv3 interface after upgrade?
How do I setup GeoShred to work with the Seaboard?
How do I setup GeoShred to work with the LinnStrument?
How do I setup GeoShred to work with the Haken Continuum?

South Asian Music

Where are Mahesh's presets?
How do I transpose for South Asian Music?
How do I setup my own scale or temperament in GeoShred?
Do you support Scala files?

Questions About Presets

How do I backup my presets?
How do I share presets with friends?
I can't get a per string volume swell to work, what's wrong?
What do the colors of the preset names mean?
How does Velocity and pressure work on a device without 3D touch?
How do I create my own setlist?
Can I swap the control surface to the bottom?
How do I change the range of the Whammy?

Musical Questions

Will GeoShred replace a guitar?
Will Physical Modeling replace sampling?
Why does distortion with normal chords sound muddy?
Why can't I find the Key of G# in the scales?



Can you point me to the GeoShred Help Resources?

There are many resources to help you with questions that you may have about GeoShred. Here are some resources that you might find helpful.

Video User Manual and Application Notes

There is an 8 chapter video user manual, and over 30 "how-to" application notes covering many common scenarios

Reference Manual

FAQs

The extensive FAQ topics cover the most common questions that we have been asked over the years.

Jordan Rudess Master Class

Context Sensitive Help

Help in Other Languages

email Support

Here is a video showing how to access the GeoShred Help Resources

Here is a video that shows how to access the GeoShred Help Resources in other languages using Google Translate:


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How can I see the GeoShred Help Resources in another language?

It's possible to view the reference manual in other languages using Google Translate. The User Videos can also be subtitled using Google Translate. Here is a video that shows how to access the GeoShred Help Resources in other languages using Google Translate:


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Can I search the GeoShred Help Resources?

Yes, there is a search box at the top of help that you can use to search the help system:



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Can I see the GeoShred Help resources in China?

Unfortunately, the GeoShred help resources cannot be seen in China unless you are using a VPN. In the future, we plan to host the GeoShred help resources inside China.


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Is there a PDF manual?

Because GeoShred is a complex product, we feel that explaining how GeoShred works, is best done with a video user manual. There is also a reference manual under "Menu > Help". Because the reference manual is deeply linked it does not translate well to PDF. Here is information on where to find the user video manual, and the reference manual.

Video User Manual and Application Notes

There is an 8 chapter video user manual, and over 30 "how-to" application notes covering many common scenarios

Reference Manual

FAQs

The extensive FAQ topics cover the most common questions that we have been asked over the years.


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How do I get support for GeoShred?

You can mail questions to support '@' moforte.com


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How do I write a Review?

If you like GeoShred please consider writing a review. The reviews help us keep the features coming. You can write a review for GeoShred by tapping on "Menu > Help > Review Button" (on the bottom of the page).



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What are the basics about the GeoSWAM instruments? How much do they cost?


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Is GeoSWAM a replacment of competitor for Roli Noise?

GeoSWAM was never intended to be a replacement or competitor for Noise. It's a different concept, fundamentally about merging the fluidity of playing on the glass using GeoShred, and the SWAM models.


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I bought all the SWAM plugins for the Roli NOISE App, do I have to buy them again?

There is no connection between Roli Noise and Wizdom GeoShred. Roli is a different company. Audio Modeling licensed some early SWAM instruments to Roli. GeoShred is developed by Wizdom/moForte. We collaborated with Audio Modeling on more up-to-date models.


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Can the GeoSWAM instruments be controlled with a conventional MIDI Keyboard? A wind controller?

The SWAM Models that are integrated into GeoShred are known as the GeoSWAM Instruments. The GeoSWAM instruments are expressive multidimensional instruments. Because the MPE protocol was designed for controlling multidimensional instruments, the GeoSWAM instruments can be performed from the GeoShred keyboard, or MPE controllers ONLY.

In the near future, Audio Modeling will release native SWAM as iOS Apps. These Apps will offer the most suitable interface for full MIDI control and have been designed specifically to guide the user for correct use and control.


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What is the difference between the GeoSWAM instruments and the Stand-alone instruments that Audio Modeling is developing?

The GeoSWAM instruments are monophonic and are optimized for the GeoShred keyboard and MPE controllers. Not all controls found on the native SWAM instruments are available in the GeoSWAM instruments, and some controls are handled differently. A complete list of the controls for each instrument can be found here:


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Can I use the GeoSWAM instruments with AUv3?

Yes, GeoShred can be hosted in any AUv3 host. As an AUv3 plugin instance, GeoSWAM instruments can be recorded and played back using GeoShred's keyboard or an MPE compliant controller.


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Can you explain more about the cost of the GeoSWAM instruments?

The GeoSWAM instruments are not sample sound packs, each is a full physics model that took many years to develop by Audio Modeling, the creator of the SWAM technology. Versions of these instruments are also available on the desktop from Audio Modeling with a cost upwards of $100 - $300. As an example if If you compare all the the products that offer physically modeled bowed strings, SWAM Desktop, Expressive E Arche, the EaganMatrix, all of these products range from $100 to $1800 (osmos). Based on competitive products, we feel $15 for a Cello is good value. Here is what DiscChord had to sayd about the price of the GeoSWAM instruments. https://discchord.com/appnews/2020/10/21/geoshred-5-the-swam-update


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Can I purchase the GeoSWAM instruments for GeoShred Play? GeoShred Control?

The GeoSWAM IAP store is available for both GeoShred Pro, and GeoShred Play. If GeoShred Control users wish to purchase the GeoSWAM instruments, they must upgrade to the functionality of GeoShred Pro first.


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Can I use the GeoSWAM instruments I purchased for GeoShred Pro with my copy of GeoShred Play?

No, each version of GeoShred (Pro, Play, Control) has it's own IAPs. Also note that you should not have more than one GeoShred on your device because they all share the same AUv3 App ID and this will cause confusion for hosts. They share the same App ID to facilitate migration of projects.


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If I purchase a single instrument first, and then the collection, can my purchase of the single instrument be applied to the purchase of the collection?

Unfortunately, due to App Store limitations, previously purchased instrument IAPs can not be applied to a purchase of the collection.


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What is the minimium iOS version required to run the GeoSWAM instruments?

The minimium required version of iOS to run the GeoSWAM instruments is iOS 11.4


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Do the GeoSWAM instruments support 3D touch?

Yes, the GeoSWAM instruments use 3D touch for both velocity and pressure. Here is a list of phones that support 3D touch. Many of these can be purchased used and are an excellent value to use for a full KeyX/KeyY/KeyZ MPE controller.


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How is velocity and pressure supported on an iPad?

On an iPad, velocity is taken from KeyY Touch, the vertical distance where the key is tapped, with 0 at the bottm and 127 at the top. Pressure is mapped to KeyY sliding.


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What is the maximium slide range for each of the GeoSWAM instruments?

What is the maximium slide range for each of the GeoSWAM instruments?

Here are the slide ranges for each of the GeoSWAM instruments. These instruments are limited to this range to maintain realism.


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Are the GeoSWAM instruments polyphonic and why doesn't that Play Mode "Poly" button make them polyphonic?

The GeoSWAM instruments are all mono.

Mono/String/Poly is the "Play Mode" of the keyboard and is not related to the polyphony instrument in the preset.


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What is the difference between GeoShred Pro, Play and Control?

We have a flier for the family of products at http://www.moforte.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/GeoShred-4.0-one-sheet.pdf Look at page 2 there is a comparison. Basically Pro is everything. Play is a preset player, no MIDI, no AUv3 plugin. Control is a MIDI/MPE controller, no built in engine. GeoShred Play+Pro or GeoShred Control+Pro and GeoShred Pro are identical.



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Can I have more than one GeoShred on my device, Pro, Play Control?

It's not a good idea to have more than one GeoShred on your device because they all share the same AUv3 AppID and this will cause confusion for hosts. They share the same AppID to facilitate migration of projects.


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How does the upgrade to Pro work?

GeoShred Play and GeoShred Control can be upgraded to the functionality of GeoShred Pro. This includes:

Apple does not allow developers to convert one app to another. What the Pro upgrade does, is turn on all the Pro features. GeoShred Play+Pro or GeoShred Control+Pro and GeoShred Pro are identical. To upgrade, go to "Menu> Store" and chose the upgrade product from the store.

You will see this:

After you have upgraded all the grayed out [PRO] menus are now available:

And the launch screen will say "+ Pro upgrade":

If you download GeoShred Play to a second device using the same Apple ID (Apple Allows up to 5 devices, App download will NOT download your IAP. You can manually download it with "Restore Purchases"


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Is there a trial version of GeoShred?

There is not a trial version of GeoShred because the iTunes App Store does not support trial versions of Paid Apps. Apple's App Approval Guidelines specifically disallows Paid Apps that are trial versions. There is a lower cost version of GeoShred called "GeoShred Play" which is a player for GeoShred Presets, no MIDI, no preset editing, no AUv3 plugin interface. It can be found here: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/geoshred-play/id1227932062


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Can I put GeoShred on my other iOS device?

Apple's policy is that you can download an app up to 5 different devices as long as they share the same Apple ID.

Normally the way that this works, is on the second device, you go to the App Store App, search for the version of GeoShred that you own (GeoShred Play or GeoShred Pro or GeoShred Control) and you should see a cloud icon to download it again.

If you are transferring an in-app-purchase to a second device, you need to tap on the "Restore Purchase" Menu item to restore the purchase


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Can I have both GeoShred Play and GeoShred Pro on my iOS device?

It's not good to have more than one GeoShred on your device. For instance, GeoShred Play and GeoShred Pro.

This is because all GeoShreds share the same AUv3 interface to assist users with migrating projects from Play to Pro or from Control to Pro.

Having more than one GeoShred can cause hosts to become confused about which GeoShred should be hosted. If you do happen to have more than one, chose the GeoShred that you plan to keep, usually Pro, and delete the other one, Play or Control. Be sure to backup your presets with "Menu > File" before deleting.

You may also want to reboot your device, to get iOS to re-index the AUv3 Plugins.


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GeoShred is not right for me, how do I get a refund?

We are sorry that you don't like the app. Note that Apple is responsible for all eCommerce. Here are instructions for how to get a refund from Apple: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204084


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Will GeoShred be available for Android?

GeoShred is only available for iOS devices. The basic reason that GeoShred is not on Android, is that most Android devices don't currently support low latency audio and iOS devices do. If you touch the screen it may be up to a second later before sound comes out, so GeoShred on Android would not be playable as a musical instrument. Google has a solution that is called the Low Latency Audio Path. We are optimistic that in the next year, device manufacturers will begin to adopt this technology, and that it will be possible to have a version of GeoShred that runs on Android devices that support the Low Latency Audio Path. Andrew Huang has a nice video about the topic of porting iOS apps to Android https://youtu.be/-sPbcTcUmcI


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What about GeoShred for Windows?

Audio latency for Windows is reasonable. We will likely have a windows VST for GeoShred late 2021. However the Surface touchscreen latency can be poor. We measured 310 ms on an ASUS surface. It needs to be more like 10ms to 20ms. Touch screen latency is really not a function of how fast the device is. It's related to buffering in the the hardware/software path between the touch screen and the CPU. We don't see that hardware manufacturers have any incentive to improve this to reach the level of performance found on iOS devices.


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How do I connect GeoShred MIDI to Mac or PC based AUs/VSTs?

Connecting an iOS device for MIDI to Mac or PC based VSTs



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How do I control GarageBand virtual instruments with GeoShred?

GarageBand does not publish its MIDI port. GarageBand is setup to only respond to physical MIDI controllers. Thus GeoShred (or any iOS MIDI controller) is not able to send MIDI to GarageBand. There is a work around using an app called "midiflow" which has figured out how to bridge virtual MIDI into GarageBand.

Here is our video on how to control GarageBand Virtual Instruments from GeoShred using midiflow. Please look at this carefully. You must follow all the steps, like turning on background audio for GarageBand, MPE, etc, etc.


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How do I use GeoShred to control the Desktop SWAM instruments?

We have a video showing how to setup SWAM on a desktop to be played by GeoShred:


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I'm having challenges with IAA, what can I do?

Apple has deprecated IAA in favor of AUv3. We feel that IAA remains an important use case for recording projects. That being said, for the time being IAA still works, but we are noticing some things that don't work as well. Here are some tips for getting IAA to work well


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Where are Mahesh's presets?

Mahesh's presets can be found in moForte's blog at the link below. Be sure to use Safari to open this page because Chrome does not have the rights to launch GeoShred which is necessary to install the presets.



http://www.moforte.com/mahesh-raghvan-shares-his-xitar-1-5-extreme-geoshred-preset/


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How do I transpose for South Asian Music?

Western Music and South Asian Music handle transposition differently.

In order to transpose a raga, it's best to use the preset or global transposition mechanisms rather than changing the root. Here is a procedure that you can use to do this


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How do I setup my own scale or temperament in GeoShred?

You can create your own scales, and the scale can be in any temperament that you define using ETdiffs (percent difference from Equal Temperament). Here is a video that shows you how to create your own scales and temperaments:


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Do you support Scala files?

At the moment, GeoShred does not support reading Scala files. We plan to support this in a future release.

However, you can create your own scales, and the scale can be in any temperament that you define using ETdiffs (percent difference from Equal Temperament). Here is a video that shows you how to create your own scales and temperaments:


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How do I record my performance?

You can record GeoShred to an iOS DAW as either and audio track or MIDI track. Audio tracks can be recorded using either Inter App Audio (IAA) or AudioBus. MIDI tracks can be recorded using GeoShred's AUv3 plugin interface. You can also record GeoShred's Audio directly to a host based DAW using the IDAM interface.

Here are the app notes on using GeoShred's AUv3 Interface, Audio Bus and iDAM.




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How do I get the best performance live?


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My iOS device is missing touches. What can I do?

The most likely cause of lost touches is an electrical issue. Several different electrical issues can cause touches on the touch screen to be lost or delayed. Here are some tips to try and solve this: If these tips don't help, you may want to re-install GeoShred. Re-installing will cause your iPad to place it in contiguous memory. Be sure to backup your presets with Menu > File, and if you have a Pro upgrade be sure to tap on "Restore Purchases" after you re-install.

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How do I backup my presets?

"Menu > Files" can be used to backup your user presets.




Under "Menu > Files", the "Export" button can be used to copy your preset to your iCloud storage. You can also use "Import" to copy previously saved presets into GeoShred




"Export" and "Import" will bring up the standard iCloud file browser.




Here is a video with further information:


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Does GeoShred support MIDI?

As of GeoShred 2, there is extensive support for MIDI IN/OUT as well as the new MIDI proposed standard called MPE, Multidimensional Polyphonic Expression. It's both a powerful synth and a formidable iOS based MIDI/MPE controller!

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Is there an iPhone version of GeoShred?

Yes, As of January 2017 GeoShred supports both the iPad (iPad 2 or better) and the iPhone (iPhone 4s or better).


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What is the difference between GeoShred and Geo Synth?

GeoShred's synthesis engine is based on advanced Physical Modeling Synthesis. Geo Synthesizer uses a sample based engine. Both instruments have isomorphic keyboards, but the controller facilities are quite different. The GeoShred Keyboard has also been extended to support any tuning.


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Why does distortion with normal chords sound muddy?

This muddy sound for conventional chords is caused by something called intermodulation distortion and it's just like a real distorted guitar. Here is an example of how to get clean distorted chords using hexaphonic strings


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Why can't I find the Key of G# in the scales?

Generally there is not a key of G# because it requires having a double sharp in the key. That is why it's often notated with its enharmonic equivalent Ab. Here is a reference on that topic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-sharp_major and here as well: https://www.basicmusictheory.com/g-sharp-major-key-signature , The number of flats and sharps that are in a musical key are determined by the cycle of 5ths.

  
Key         Cb  Gb  Db  Ab  Eb  Bb  F   C   G   D   A   E   B   F#  C#
Number #|b  7   6   5   4   3   2   1   0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7

The "Sharp keys" add sharps with the pattern F,C,G,D,A,E,B
The "Flat keys"  add flats  with the pattern Bb,Eb,Ab,Db,Gb

Because, in equal temperament,

in sheet music the keys used are generally the 12 keys that range from Db to F#. In GeoShred under "Menu > Performance Settings > Keyboard > Scale > Root", you can chose any of these 12 keys.


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Which iPad should I get to run GeoShred?

If you want your iPad to stay current for several years, then we recommend that you get the most powerful device that you can afford, and always keep up with the latest version of iOS. GeoShred works on all iPads back to iPad 2/iOS 9.3.  However if iOS is less than 11.4, some features are not supported. Specifically iCloud, AUv3 plugin and the GeoSWAM instruments.

Here is a list that might help you with your decision: https://everyi.com/by-capability/maximum-supported-ios-version-for-ipod-iphone-ipad.html


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How do I redeem and app or in-app-purchase code in the iTunes App Store.


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The AUv3 Plugin window is messed up, what can I do?

Sometimes there can be issues with how the AUv3 plugin window for GeoShred looks for some hosts. This can usually be fixed by double tapping the mini-control surface icon '^' in the upper right.



Plugin window issues are due to ambiguity in how AUv3 hosts should handle setting the bounds of a plugin window, and how plugins should interpret the bounds. Over time, we have been making special-case code for specific hosts.


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How do I change the range of the Whammy?

Here is how you change the range of the Whammy. For instance from +/-24 to +/-2: .



Here is a video that shows how to do this:

https://youtu.be/cyl4z_In9vw"

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How does Velocity and pressure work on a device without 3D touch?

For devices that support 3D touch, Velocity and Pressure (KeyZ) come directly from the screen. You can set 3D touch parameters from "Menu > Settings":

You can modify the 3D Touch velocity sensitivity curve under "Menu > Settings > 3D Touch Velocity":

You can modify the 3D Touch pressure sensitivity curve under "Menu > Settings > 3D Touch Pressure":




For devices that DO NOT support 3D touch, velocity can be set by using the KeyY vertical position (KeyY Touch), and Pressure is automatically mapped to KeyY. You can set KeyY touch parameters from "Menu > Settings":

You can modify the KeyY Touch velocity sensitivity curve under "Menu > Settings > KeyY Touch Velocity":


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How do I play a backing track?

There are two menu items that are relevant for backing tracks. "Set Backing Track" and "Play Backing Track"



A backing track can be assigned to the current preset, or globally.



There are 3 ways to set the backing track.

It's also possible to put a backing track "Play" button on your control surface.



We have a video that covers backing tracks in GeoShred:


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How do I create my own setlist?

Creating setlists is covered extensively in Chapter 6 of the video manual:


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I can't see GS AUv3 interface after upgrade?

Sometimes iOS does not correctly index an AUv3 plugin when GeoShred is installed. The first thing to try is to reboot the device. If the AUv3 plugin is still not visible, you may need to delete and install GeoShred again.


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When do you have sales?

We usually have a sale on Cyber Monday. The Monday after US Thanksgiving. We sometimes have a sale in mid summer with no specific date.


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Can I swap the control surface to the bottom?

In the current release of GeoShred, you cannot swap the control surface from the top to the bottom. We plan that for a future release. You can however minimize the control surface for a mini-control surface using the "Minimize" control in the upper right >


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What do the colors of the preset names mean?

Factory presets and User presets are in white text.



If a Factory preset is edited but NOT saved, it's red



if a Factory preset has been edited and saved it's yellow.



Factory presets may be reverted with the "Revert" command and will return to being white text.




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How do I share presets with friends?

Edited presets can be shared by email using the Menu item "Menu > Share"




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How do I setup GeoShred to work with the Seaboard?

Under "Menu > MIDI" chose the "Roli Seaboard" MIDI configuration.

Here is a video showing the Seaboard controlling GeoShred:


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How do I setup GeoShred to work with the LinnStrument?

We have a video showing how to setup the LinnStrument with GeoShred


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How do I setup GeoShred to work with the Haken Continuum?

We have a video showing how to setup the Continuum to work with GeoShred:


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Will GeoShred replace a guitar?

Nope! We love guitars. We are passionate about the whole stringed instrument family (technically known as chordophones). We own and play many varieties of these instruments. GeoShred makes it possible for musicians (not just guitar players) to experience some of the expressive opportunities that, until recently, have only been available to guitar players. Things like feedback/distortion, power chords, harmonics, string scraping, polyphonic slides and bends. Plus, it goes beyond what a real guitar can do. With the arpeggiator, curves and physical parameters like stiffness, you can create guitar inspired expressive sounds that could not be achieved on a real guitar.


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Will Physical Modeling replace sampling?

Naw! We love sampling. Sampling is absolutely the appropriate solution for many musical situations. What physical modeling offers are lots of physical parameters that can be controlled with expressive gestures yielding an interactive an expressive performance experience.

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Does GeoShred Run on the iPad 2?

Currently GeoShred runs on all iPad models except the original iPad, which was discontinued in March of 2011.

The iPad 2 is not as powerful as later generation iPads. As such, GeoShred may not be able to run as many effects as a more recent device. GeoShred has a red CPU LED that will light up if the processor is overtaxed. The user may turn off some effects if this situation occurs.

The GeoSWAM instruments cannot run on the iPad 2 because their minimum requirement is iOS 11.4


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GeoShred uses the battery when in the background. What can I do?

You can simply turn off "Background Audio" under "Menu> Settings> Audio> Enable Background Audio". In this case GeoShred will not compute/use battery, when it is in the background. Just be sure to turn it back on if you want to control GeoShred from MIDI when GeoShred is in the background.


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Why is there a delay with BlueTooth Audio?

Bluetooth audio is not designed to support real time performance. It has a built in delay that can be up to 1 second long. Note that the same is true of AirPlay. Note that this is an issue with how BlueTooth Audio works, and note a GeoShred issue.


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How do I connect my device to an amplifier?

Typically you need to use an 1/8" (3.5mm) adapter cable.

It's also possible to use a digital interface. There are many models available.

Note that Bluetooth and AirPlay will not work because they have built in delay.


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I have no sound on my iPad 2. What can I do?

When we hear about this problem, it often has to do with mute being stuck on, frequently on an iPad 2, early iPad Mini, early iPhone.


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